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DStDenizen (Dstdenizen)

Username: Dstdenizen

Post Number: 99
Registered: 4-2008
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 8:04 pm:   

Jack Carver, what great pix!

Off topic - they brought back memories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0c_DucOO7s

Ah, the dances held there during my misspent youth.

I really wanted to post "Sunny Side Up", but can't find a video for that.

Couldn't find anything for the band Jack and the Spades, either, except for a brief mention in an article about the Hampton Beach riots. They also played there and were quite popular.

TY for posting those!
Jack Carver (Farcry)

Username: Farcry

Post Number: 499
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 5:13 pm:   

Tycobrahe (Tycobrahe)

Username: Tycobrahe

Post Number: 2538
Registered: 3-2000
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 11:21 pm:   

Old Neddy Johnson didn't like the Armory so it had to go. Plus, this was just a pure case of land banking. Watch if they decide to not honor the soldier's with Armory Park anymore, then it too will go bye bye and the City will just make excuses why it just HAS to go.
Jack Carver (Farcry)

Username: Farcry

Post Number: 499
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 4:44 pm:   

I remember some one posting that the PEM had some engineer declare the Armory facade structurally unsound for rebuilding. But I cant find the thread.
I found that very odd at the time, seeing how after the fire that destroyed the Armory Engineers came in and declared the building worth saving. Going so far as to brace the inside brick walls with Steel I-Beam braces and steel cabling to sure up the walls for the rebuilding project to come. These photos are a few of the photos I have of the Armory after the fire. You be the judge....
















DStDenizen (Dstdenizen)

Username: Dstdenizen

Post Number: 98
Registered: 4-2008
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 9:08 pm:   

SalemGal, thanks for the clarification. I could swear there had been at least discussion/intent about PEM getting involved w/HOSG a while ago – but maybe I dreamed it. Glad of that!

A friend also said, PEM was supposed to put a parking deck on the Almy’s lot?

I just have a really hard time with arrogant ivory tower types…
Tycobrahe (Tycobrahe)

Username: Tycobrahe

Post Number: 2537
Registered: 3-2000
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 9:21 am:   

Hey, I hear they are bringing in another huge Native American exhibit. Wow. Like anyone gave a rats butt about the huge one that ate up the Dodge Wing. If I want to see stuff by and about Indian's I'll go to Wyoming or South Dakota or New Mexico.They have lots of "gas station art" there. If I come to Salem, I want to see full fledged exhibits about the early days of this country where it started. I don't think Dan Monroe ever got over the fact that yes, people did come here and sort of kicked his people's ass. Which is what folks 3-4-500 years ago did. We have a history too and it is more than just fancy furniture and some yo ho ho sea pics and models. They treat that like it is meaningless and don't try very hard to provide the story. Totally sucks. They probably sold off all the good stuff so that they can follow this PC agenda. But, hey, we get in for free. So we should all just shut up and be grateful. In the old days, less really was more. And more interesting.
Jack Carver (Farcry)

Username: Farcry

Post Number: 498
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 7:57 pm:   

I am working on a post , so stay tuned...
Lloyd (Lloyd)

Username: Lloyd

Post Number: 906
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 8:26 am:   

Facts:

Salem had a 96 space metered lot off Charter Street, and it is gone. That space is now occupied by the PEM.

Liberty Street, from Essex Street to Charter Street, is now gone. That space is now occupied by the PEM.

There was an agreement as to the financial compensation between the then city council and the PEM.

It has never been paid.
SalemGal (Salemgal29)

Username: Salemgal29

Post Number: 540
Registered: 9-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 - 9:10 pm:   

DStDenizen....while I'm in agreement with almost all of your observations about PEM stewardship, the PEM and House of Seven Gables/Emmerton House are not affiliated at all.
Federalist (Federalist)

Username: Federalist

Post Number: 447
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 - 7:45 pm:   

I can live with what the PEM is, because that has never been a secret to people like you, me, and many others who live here. I can also live with the phony baloney lip service they pay to Salem's taxpayers, thumbing their noses at us while making huge profits at their retail endeavors.

What I can't accept, and never will, is the damage they inflict upon us when they destroy historical buildings, and refuse to pay for land they take from us.

Perhaps if we are lucky, the PEM someday will be run by people who look back and are embarrassed by the current director's personal largesse and his total disregard for the taxpayers of Salem. Until then, I will never set foot in their monument to hypocrisy.
DStDenizen (Dstdenizen)

Username: Dstdenizen

Post Number: 97
Registered: 4-2008
Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 - 2:10 pm:   

Yes, time does fly, doesn't it, Federalist? Seems like only yesterday the state sold the PEM the old Armory for $1, with the understanding that the building be preserved.

Can we say, demolition by neglect? Next thing ya know, there were barricades on the sidewalks as the facade started to crumble; and bye, bye armory.

Recall that the PEM threatened to leave town if they didn’t get their way when they were expanding the first time.

Corner of Liberty and Essex - They made life a living hell for the maritime gallery's owners for a very long time, trying to get their hands on that property. They also shattered a sidewalk at the corner there that was a collage of children's art, without a by-your-leave.

They promised to allow the unwashed public unfettered access to the atrium, as a bone tossed for closing Liberty St. That went away in '03 (the very year the new wing opened), I believe, due to “security concerns”. They were also discouraging bus tours around that same time. I made it a priority to march through the atrium on occasion, dressed in my “best” gardening rags, Salem ID clutched in hand.

They rolled back the hours at the Essex Institute (not a priority), outraging scholars in many far flung places.

They closed Emmerton House, across from the Gables. My understanding is that there’s an endowment from Caroline Emmerton for that. Where is that money going? Will we see more demolition by neglect?

The Gables itself has been in need of upkeep on the exterior at the least, crumbling clapboards readily apparent. The paint on the large gold federalist structure on Hardy St has finally been scraped. It’s a mess! We shall see.

As to the original “mission”, from Wiki:

“The museum's origins date to the founding in 1799 of the East India Marine Society by a group of Salem-based captains and supercargoes. Members of the Society were required by the society's charter to collect "natural and artificial curiosities" from beyond the Cape of Good Hope or Cape Horn. Due to the institution's age, the items they donated to the collections are significant for their rare combination of age and provenance. In 1992, the Peabody Museum of Salem merged with the Essex Institute (1822) to form the Peabody Essex Museum.[5]”

Note that footnote [5] now links to “The Korean collection of the Peabody Essex Museum”, not the above.

While I have no problem with certain aspects of PEM wanting to be MFA North, they surely have taken a crooked, and frankly, unethical IMHO, road to get there.
Mike Abril (Mikea)

Username: Mikea

Post Number: 35
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 1:15 pm:   

Hi SalemGal
Thanks for that. I just saw an article in the Salem News that confirms your statement. It will be interesting to see how it all looks back there & if the Cost of Admission will go up after the modifications are finished.
Regards.
SalemGal (Salemgal29)

Username: Salemgal29

Post Number: 537
Registered: 9-2005
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2011 - 4:09 pm:   

MikeA....from what I'm reading, I think the construction will be on the area that abuts Charter Street, looks like a utility area, between the Chinese House and the East India building. Maybe they'll go up a few stories...glass, maybe?
Mike Abril (Mikea)

Username: Mikea

Post Number: 33
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2011 - 3:49 pm:   

Hi everyone.
Does anyone know where the new construction for the PEM will be located? I read the article on Boston.com & from what was described I could not figure out where any new space would be built. Are they going to increase the heights of existing structures? Will the increase in gallery space be strictly internal to the their existing buildings?
Thanks & Regards.
Manny_Live (Manny_live)

Username: Manny_live

Post Number: 250
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2011 - 7:05 am:   

Unlike 2003, when the PEM had to acquire a city street and move several houses, there are no plans this time to take any land.
- SNEWS

How very thoughtful of them. Restore Charter Street to the citizens of Salem, you bleepin' liars!!!
Federalist (Federalist)

Username: Federalist

Post Number: 444
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 10:55 pm:   

Very impressive Tad. Perhaps now the PEM will work with Mayor Driscoll and pay back the city for taking Liberty Street and the Empire lot. There is a matter of $365,000 to be contributed by the museum to help fund a second deck on a portion of the old Almy's parking lot.

Forgive me Tad for using such old terms to describe locations, but it seems like it was 100 years ago when they promised to do this. Time flies I suppose when you are raising 650 Million and not paying your fair share.
SalemGal (Salemgal29)

Username: Salemgal29

Post Number: 535
Registered: 9-2005
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 5:35 pm:   

Agreed, Tad. This is great news...a shot in the arm for the downtown, and a nice creator of construction jobs.
Tad Sobeseski (Sobe)

Username: Sobe

Post Number: 252
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 9:38 am:   

Dan Monroe raises $650 million for PEM. Lets watch the nitwits on this site continue to talk about how overpaid ge us and how the PEM doesnt do much for the economy.

This will be fun to watch.
Crazy10wheels (Crazy10wheels)

Username: Crazy10wheels

Post Number: 9
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 7:20 pm:   

Some commercial waste companies will gladly pick up cardboard and other paper products from their customers at no extra charge. Of course there will be no cost savings from doing this but you can tell all your customers how great you are for being green.Commingle is a different story,not a lot of money in that.
Federalist (Federalist)

Username: Federalist

Post Number: 412
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 6:32 pm:   

I'm not surprised at all that the Shanty does the right thing. They are decent, responsible business owners.
William Legault (Baldbil)

Username: Baldbil

Post Number: 1227
Registered: 9-2007
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 5:54 pm:   

Go down Front Street on their trash day (I forget).

The Shanty does in fact recycle everything from cardboard to the glass (vodka, whiskey bottles etc).

Probably the only restaurant to do so every week.

I started that process ten years ago.

Let the Shanty shots commence.
Stanley Eisen (Stanleyeisen)

Username: Stanleyeisen

Post Number: 3
Registered: 6-2011
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 5:28 pm:   

It may not be policy, buy short of opening and photographing their trash I don't know how to actually prove it. All I know is what I saw.
As I understand it, recycling by residents is mandatory in Salem, although I don't think everybody gets it or even cares. Of course that doesn't extend to private collection companies.
It is just plain lazy to not recycle, or in this case the opposite of lazy since the bottles are already separated by cafe patrons.
Johnh (Johnh)

Username: Johnh

Post Number: 450
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 1:07 pm:   

The owner of the HH is a former democratic congressman. This has nothing to do with politics.
Elizabeth Beryl (Libbbyberyl)

Username: Libbbyberyl

Post Number: 73
Registered: 4-2011
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 10:41 am:   

"The only reason they make the initial effort is to shut up the morons who want to recycle."

Do you see what we are up against? Republican greed is at work! Just because we want to save the planet for future generations they think we are idiots to believe that trash is really recycled. Like Bush tried to make us believe there were WMDs in Iraq. This is going to take years and maybe stricter laws.
Mike Blatty (Mike_blatty)

Username: Mike_blatty

Post Number: 6888
Registered: 3-2007
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 9:42 am:   

Not sure this is proof that this is the PEM's (or Hawthorne's) policy, Stanley.
bingo! (Enrico_palazzo)

Username: Enrico_palazzo

Post Number: 4242
Registered: 3-2007
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 9:41 am:   

Other than maybe a sub shop, can anyone tell me what other restaurant in town recycles? I see bartenders throw out those huge bottles all the time.

I don't know that there is any support to handle recycling for commercial waste disposal around town. If there is, I bet it's expensive.
Stanley Eisen (Stanleyeisen)

Username: Stanleyeisen

Post Number: 2
Registered: 6-2011
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 7:03 am:   

I had just finished eating a garden salad that I bought from the cafe. It was just vegetables in a clear plastic container. I didn't even use dressing. When I went to put the empty container into the recycling basket the HH employer who was emptying a trash bucket asked me what I was doing. I told her I was recycling and she said to just throw it out. I asked her what they do with all the glass bottles and she looked at me like I had sixteen heads but didn't offer a verbal response.
Manny_Live (Manny_live)

Username: Manny_live

Post Number: 57
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 5:44 pm:   

Shame on those PEM liars and thieves!!!

Here's a little recycled museum humor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENQT1PPSP1M&feature=related
Mike Blatty (Mike_blatty)

Username: Mike_blatty

Post Number: 6880
Registered: 3-2007
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 4:53 pm:   

Can anybody verify this? This is outrageous if true.
Stanley Eisen (Stanleyeisen)

Username: Stanleyeisen

Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2011
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 2:37 pm:   

The cafe at the peabody essex museum (run by Hawthorne Hotel) does not recycle cans and glass/plastic bottles. They put out large baskets for people to put bottles and cans in to but then they just put everything in the trash. The only reason they make the initial effort is to shut up the morons who want to recycle. That is a pretty lame move HH. They fool the public into thinking they really care. Would it really be so hard to actually recycle?

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